I think estrogen and estrogenic compounds in the water have suppressed the test/est ratio in men at least somewhat, and may be contributing (somewhat!) to the general lack of virility and overall schlubiness of guys today. Plus (at least among white men) the unappealing harshness of white women for, oh, about twenty years now.

Though...to tell the truth, the idea that men have to "perform" in bed, which was utterly alien to society when I was a young'un, has always been a real drag to me. I remember reading an interview with a male model of the bodybuilding type named Frank Sepe. You've probably all seen his face and body around somewhere on some cover or other. He was bragging about his abilities in the sack, and said something to the effect: I can go for an hour and forty five minutes before coming.

My reaction to this was: Well, why on earth would you want to? Aside from the fact that my back would be breaking, any arousal I'd once had would long since have dissipated, my you-know-what would be numb, and when after one hundred and five minutes of humping and pumping away, I finally manage to let loose...I probably wouldn't feel anything more than relief.

The fact is, modern "ideal" sex, where the guy has to prime his woman for hours, foreplay her for hours more, then roger her for hours after that before being "allowed" to come, is nothing but a chore. It's just more yuppie perfectionism, unrealistic and unappealing and deeply utterly inhuman.

Like I said, when it comes to the kind of sex they talk about in the mags, why would any guy want to?

Posted by: PatrickH on May 10, 2008 10:40 AM

I agree with all of the above -- good points all. but I also want to point out that we now have had a generation of young men grow up with sexual harrassment laws. By these laws, I don't mean the standard "Sleep with me if you want a raise" law, which should obviously be illegal. I mean laws that micromanage what men can say and do -- no "elevator eyes," no "hostile workplace" (whatever that means) no touching, no innuendo, no racy banter, permission for everything all the time.

In other words all the fun sexual tension we loved in things like "Moonlighting" or even (gag) "Who's the Boss" has now been declared illegal in the workplace and, thus, neutered in the rest of the world. You can't just go from behaving one way all day to going hogwild at nite.

It's really easier just to give up and enjoy the massive amount of free internet porn. Real women in the US have made themselves a liability -- and the media -- which shames all male behavior and celebrates all things female -- adds to this.

Posted by: Days of Broken Arrows on May 10, 2008 4:35 PM

I think estrogen and estrogenic compounds in the water have suppressed the test/est ratio in men at least somewhat, and may be contributing (somewhat!) to the general lack of virility and overall schlubiness of guys today.

I wonder about that. I recently visited Poland and Lithuania and was struck by how girls in their teens look, well, girlish there.

The men, even if they are not big guys or were clearly middle class, looked a little more raw than they do in the US. The kind of look like they are ready either to fight or laugh.

There might be something to the hormones in water / meat or whatever here in the US.

Posted by: PA on May 10, 2008 6:41 PM

I'll bet at least as many over 40 wives are relieved that he isn't as eager as he once was as are frustrated by the lack of action.

I'd further bet that a 20 something mistress would solve the arousal problem toot sweet.

Posted by: ricpic on May 10, 2008 8:28 PM

With independent earning power for women, as part of the workforce, comes greater pickiness in mate selection, and greater demands in the bedroom. Men can't win; we're screwed by the modern world. We put up with it, because we have no choice, other than celibacy or homosexuality, and if we're not gay, we can't simply decide to become gay, so the latter isn't even an option.

Posted by: anon on May 11, 2008 1:41 AM

I'm a bit baffled by the "too demanding in the bedroom" complaints I'm hearing here - in my experience, modern women do not issue unreasonable demands during sex. They do generally expect a) to have an orgasm b) reciprocity, when it comes to things like oral sex, none of which strikes me as objectionable. Biologically speaking, women do need more warming up than guys & find it more difficult to orgasm from straight intercourse which may require some more attention from you, but hey, take that up with God.

Posted by: greg on May 11, 2008 3:39 AM

It's really easier just to give up and enjoy the massive amount of free internet porn. Real women in the US have made themselves a liability -- and the media -- which shames all male behavior and celebrates all things female -- adds to this.
You got it. I only maintain a girlfriend because it makes me look less nerdy; I get a lot more pleasure with Lefty and Righty. I come right away and my ardor cools for the next six hours or so.

I think estrogen and estrogenic compounds in the water have suppressed the test/est ratio in men at least somewhat, and may be contributing (somewhat!) to the general lack of virility and overall schlubiness of guys today.
Could be. The thing that puzzles me is that then women should be more feminine. I think it really is the poisonous fruit of feminism.

With independent earning power for women, as part of the workforce, comes greater pickiness in mate selection, and greater demands in the bedroom. Men can't win; we're screwed by the modern world. We put up with it, because we have no choice, other than celibacy or homosexuality, and if we're not gay, we can't simply decide to become gay, so the latter isn't even an option.
Yeah, basically. I wonder how malleable sexuality really is, though. If it weren't for the stigma I probably would have experimented by now.

Posted by: SFG on May 11, 2008 7:53 AM

The thing that puzzles me is that then women should be more feminine. I think it really is the poisonous fruit of feminism.

Good point. My only response would be that since women are already operating at a much higher est level, the addition of some more won't have as much effect proportionately. Just as in reverse, test supplementation has a much greater effect on women at much lower levels than on men because men start from a much higher baseline. I have no doubt, SFG, that the "poisonous fruits of feminism" do have something to do with it indeed.

And greg, there's nothing really to be baffled about at all. The question is why men are losing interest in sex. "Take it up with God" is useless pseudo-advice. It's much more straightforward to take it up with Lefty and Righty (even just one of them!). That way, there's a much greater connection between pleasure given and pleasure received. And as Woody (!) Allen once said, "At least it's sex with somebody I love!"

Posted by: PatrickH on May 11, 2008 10:11 AM

I think estrogen and estrogenic compounds in the water have suppressed the test/est ratio in men at least somewhat, and may be contributing (somewhat!) to the general lack of virility and overall schlubiness of guys today. Plus (at least among white men) the unappealing harshness of white women for, oh, about twenty years now."

I was going to disagree with that statement until I finished reading the comments to this post.

Posted by: JV on May 12, 2008 11:39 AM






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