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February 27, 2009

Eating and Diet Linkage

Michael Blowhard writes:

Dear Blowhards --

* Jimmy Moore reports that Sweden is going low-carb.

* Fat or not fat? (NSFW for the usual Roissy vulgarity.)

* Lemmonex tells how she managed to take off 65 pounds.

* Mark Sisson wants you to get more comfortable with broiling fish.

* If the Mediterranean diet is so great, why are so many Italians fat?

Best,

Michael

posted by Michael at February 27, 2009




Comments

If the Mediterranean diet is so great, why are so many Italians fat?

Because it should really be labeled the Greek Diet.

Posted by: Ted Craig on February 27, 2009 4:21 PM



You should check out my recent blog posts for diet-related stuff -- it's beyond the effect that high carbs have on obesity, diabetes, etc.

I've been looking at how high chronic levels of insulin, brought about by dietary carbs, affects all sorts of other things, from your physical appearance (aside from body shape), to mood, to other things.

I'll get back to writing about teenage girls sometime soon, but there's a lot of unknown stuff out there about how insulin affects a wide variety of our body's systems.

Posted by: agnostic on February 27, 2009 5:48 PM



I admit my transatlantic ignorance: what is "broiling"?

Posted by: dearieme on February 27, 2009 6:32 PM



Dearieme,
Here is a dictionary explanation of broiling.

LINK

In practice, a boiled whole fish is similar in spirit to the steamed fish served in Asian restaurants -- it is all about the freshness of the fish. Here is Pupu's basic recipe for broiling a whole fish (you will need an oven for it): use any fresh whole fish, (tilapias, bass, etc.), rub the fish with some olive oil; turn the oven on boiler, put the fish inside for 8 minutes, flip the fish and boil it for 4 more minutes. To check whether the fish is done -- use a knife or fork cut slightly into the back of the fish, if the flesh separates easily from the bones, the fish is done. Serve with a pinch of salt and some lime or lemon juice. It is very light and very delicious. But you do need to pair it with some sinful delights otherwise, half a dozen fish later, life also turns a bit light and boring.

Posted by: Pupu on February 27, 2009 9:36 PM



As an insulin dominant life form, I can assure you we aren't like the rest of you.

BTW, that comment about Italians was gratuitous. Fat or not, Italians are hot! Jerk. : p

Posted by: shiva on February 27, 2009 9:40 PM



"I've been looking at how high chronic levels of insulin, brought about by dietary carbs, affects all sorts of other things, from your physical appearance (aside from body shape), to mood, to other things."

It would be nice if you would mature at a faster rate which will be obvious when you stop trying to determine whether or not a woman has enough estrogen to suit you and instead focus on the health implications of hyperinsulinemia. I took a brief glance at your blog noting the glaring absence of the effects of chronic high levels of insulin on men. Were you taking a scientific view you might discover an irony/paradox in the effects of excess insulin on men vs women.

Also, I don't think that lean look you disdain in women is a sign of insulin insensitivity. Excessive thinness and low body fat would be atypical indicators of the pre-diabetic state. In fact, women with PCOS which is just now being recognized as a symptom of hyperinsulinemia tend to to be obese. Part of the treatment is to lose weight and increase muscle mass thereby increasing insulin sensitivity and lowering blood sugar.

Perhaps you just don't like mesomorphic women who exercise, Ag. Have you considered the possibility that you prefer a certain body type (assuming you're sexually attracted to women at all)? Just because you only like ectomorphs doesn't mean it's ok to label all the mesomorphs and endomorphs as exhibiting an underlying pathology due to having your non-preferred body type.

How old are you? Did you graduate high school at age 12? The complications arising from insulin insensitivity, not simply having too much insulin in the body, is the root of the problem. What's really going on here is that your body isn't getting the nutrition it should be getting from what you eat. This affects much more than your sex hormones. Why aren't you aware of the more serious consequences?

I don't know why you play the games you play, ag, but I'd conjecture that someone as smart as you think you are could find better ways to occupy your time. Then again...

P.S. Speaking of pathologies. The chronic immaturity of more than a few posters here and on related blogs really undermines the political activism of the main site.

Posted by: shiva on February 28, 2009 3:13 AM



Sorry about the typos. Replace "boiling" with "broiling."

Posted by: Pupu on February 28, 2009 1:21 PM



Heh, whenever someone touches a nerve and has data to back it up, they're always "immature."

In fact, insulin sensitivity is not the root cause -- where did that come from? The root is high carb consumption, leading to high glucose and high chronic insulin. Insulin insensitivity follows after, perhaps because insulin triggers the action of pro-inflammatory cytokines, which may end up blunting sensitivity to insulin.

And indeed there is data about how insulin adversely affects men, and I'll be getting to that. But as I don't care too much about whether or not guys are going to shit, it doesn't receive high priority. If you were halfway smart and resourceful, you could write the series yourself.

Fortunately for the world, though, there is me.

Posted by: agnostic on February 28, 2009 3:36 PM



"If you were halfway smart and resourceful, you could write the series yourself." - ag

You call that undisciplined crap you basically fling at the reader a "series". LOL

"In fact, insulin sensitivity is not the root cause -- where did that come from? The root is high carb consumption, leading to high glucose and high chronic insulin. "

Debatable and probably depends on the individual. I myself come from a family of diabetics in which the children just seem to start out with insulin insensitivity. Also, not all hyperinsulinemia becomes diabetes.

Posted by: shiva on February 28, 2009 4:00 PM



Shiva:

If you want to get him to shut up, cite a few papers that are contra his cites with later publishing dates. He has yet to address the papers I cited against Bailey's methodology, the threshold of pheremonal reception in human beings, among others, save a shrieking chorus of how I'm a mentally deranged stalker. It's just easier to call him an ephebephile, since that's the intellectual level at which he operates.

Our boy here somehow thinks cherry-picked data is somehow evidence of his brilliance. For all his lambasting of today's academic mores, he epitomizes the entire approach of "conclusion first, then selectively quote shit to prove it, and if called on bullshit logic, evidential flaws, holes in knowledge, or crap cites , attack or ignore the messenger, and do not actually touch what he has to say at all."

Oh, and if Aggie replies, yes, Me so suicidally depressed, me slashie slashie long time! Here's another one for ya, since that's getting boring, Aggie. I have microtia of the left ear. Have at it.

Posted by: Spike Gomes on February 28, 2009 6:24 PM



Come on, Spike, the Ags is obviously faking the whole thing. I mean take that orgiastic rite it had with the cheese or coconut, whatever it was. Ag is either insane or on drugs or both. And why would I want to blog about my stupid low carb diet. Talk about something that would drive me to eat a whole pizza and wash it down with a 6 pack of coke. I don't write blogs, I just harass those who do.

BTW, Did you attend a prep school, Spike, one that made it possible for you to get into one of those pretentious psuedo Ivies? Am I gonna have to come back armed with a copy of Cormier's The Chocolate Wars?


Posted by: shiva on February 28, 2009 9:06 PM



shiva:

Nah, I was kicked out of one my freshman year for low grades. I went to tech school, then community college, then state. Not one of my family went to Ivies. Father's side because they didn't believe in "schoolin" as such and my mother's side was fueled by that Asian drive to send all seven kids to schools that inculcated practical career skills and Roman Catholicism in that order.

Feel free to harass me on my blog, there's a lot to mock there, and your insults are of a high caliber that I can respect.

Posted by: Spike Gomes on March 1, 2009 8:00 AM



Congratulations to Lemmonex for her accomplishment, and it is a considerable accomplishment. I am concerned, however, that her repeated bouts of hunger, craving, occasional binges and reliance on Weight Watchers renders her dietary program unusable for most. Lemmonex is clearly a very determined person, more so than a large majority--more so than me! But determination doesn't work for most people, and most diets fail as a result.

More successful approaches see hunger management, not portion management or calorie management, as the goal. A diet where you are frequently hungry is not a diet most people can sustain for long, let alone a lifetime.

There are too few Lemmonexes to make the Weight Watcher approach successful.

Posted by: PatrickH on March 1, 2009 8:34 AM



"Father's side because they didn't believe in "schoolin" as such and my mother's side was fueled by that Asian drive to send all seven kids to schools that inculcated practical career skills and Roman Catholicism in that order."

Yes, I'm beginning to see Roman Catholicism in a whole new light. Thanks for the brief autobiography, Spike. And the well-educated, spiritually pure elite shall have dominion... I've noticed that at least one NR writer has evolved something akin to Victorian atheism in an attempt to capture the essence of it - a sense of entitlement that won't be curbed by sentiment, morality, fairness or even moderation.

Posted by: shiva on March 1, 2009 1:58 PM






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