Gonzalo: People know there’re vast cultural differences between someone from, say, Alabama, and someone from New York. Why can’t they do that when it comes to those they like to call Hispanics?

On what basis are you assuming they don't? You acknowledge that nobody makes false inferences about all whites from the statement that "Hispanics are 'x'% more likely to do 'y' than whites", so I don't know on what grounds you conclude that people lack the ability to do the same with the label "Hispanic". (Richard seems to be the only one around who can't seem to grasp that Californios aren't Oaxacans.) If GB can figure out that "'Hispanic' is a stupid label invented in the U.S. for census purposes to describe immigrants who come predominantly from Mexico and a handful of other countries south of the border", it's a good bet that everyone else in the U.S. knows who's talking about whom when it's used in the U.S.. (With "purposes", of course, expanded beyond census use to include pandering, race-hustling, pork-barreling, etc., etc., etc.)

As for your notion that there's some unique "they" (Anglos?) that "likes to call" people "Hispanics", and that everybody labeled "Hispanic" in the U.S. is all pissed off about it and groaning under the weight of the gringos inability to understand their vast cultural differences - well, suffice it to say, that's not really what's going on in the wonderful world of American identity politics.

You're making a lot of unwarranted assumptions about people's perceptions that wouldn't hold up to scrutiny. E.g., somebody's quoting "Hispanics are 'x'% more likely to do 'y' than whites", in the context of an American political debate, doesn't tell you anything about the state of their knowledge regarding the racial composition of Argentina. (If American immigration restrictionists thought Argentina was just like Mexico, one would never come across exasperated whites talking about emigrating there to escape Mexifornication.) Trust me, Gonzalo, nobody's using "Hispanic" to express anxiety about hordes of Argentinians or Chileans pouring across the border. (Heh - maybe Argentina and Chile should be considering steps to secure their borders against crazed hordes of dispossessed Anglos.) In sum, you're expending a great deal of energy trying to correct a non-existent misunderstanding.

I agree, though, that terms like "Hispanic" and "non-Hispanic white" are lousy, because they're "codes", dishonest usage that marks political corruption.

P.S. There are hundreds of immigration-enforcement bills, passed or pending, in probably every state affected by illegal immigration. (Some of these go back decades.) It is, of course, an ongoing battle, since open-borders interest groups and their useful idiots always deploy rapidly to gut them, judicially or otherwise (mercifully, not always with success), and cheap labor lobbyists pretty much own Congress. So it's simply not true that "nobody's doing anything about it".

P.P.S. I don't know what you call an acute accent mark in Spanish, but that thingie (ó) isn't a tilde (ñ). Unless I'm completely senile.

Posted by: Moira Breen on May 9, 2008 11:01 AM

It's interesting that "Hispanic" has become a code word indeed. Perhaps it's because we don't want to confront the fact that it is mestizo Latinos who are undesirable, and not the more Euro Latinos, such as the people of Chile and Argentina. But there's little chance of anybody putting the issue in such frankly racial terms as saying, "It's not Spanish-speakers, or Latin Americans in general we don't want. It's the low-IQ, low-skilled, illiterate, uneducated peoples of those countries. And that means the mestizo, half-mestizo [i.e., quarter Indian--Gonzalo, what would they be called?] and Indian populations that we want to keep out."

It's probably closer to the truth, a truth that Gonzalo has been sorta circling around in his own particular way. "Hispanic" isn't the point, or the problem. That's a language category. It's the racial reality that's the problem. But I can't see even the most hard-core restrictionist coming out and saying that.

Posted by: PatrickH on May 9, 2008 12:30 PM

Hi Moira,

I'm not making any assumptions about "whites" or Americans as a whole because that would contradict my own point about Hispanics. I think you're misreading me. I’ve tried to be careful not to insult anyone because of his race or make unwarranted assumptions and generalizations. The only person I’ve responded to rather harshly is the anonymous BIOH, who in his last post made my job easier by confirming all I’ve said before regarding his education, intelligence and inability to write in English.

By making claims such as “Hispanics are more likely to do X compared to Whites” the assumption that most Hispanics behave in a certain manner is implicit. That’s what started the argument. I couldn’t tell you how many people take these generalizations at face value but I’m sure it’s more than just BIOH and his penchant for insulting anyone who happens to live south of the border in his own broken English. As a matter of fact, both McCain and the people who refuted his claims did just that.

Somebody said that the anti-immigration crowd had already won last year. That strikes me as complacent and the reality in the border says otherwise, not to mention that any of the U.S.’s three next possible Presidents supported the failed bill and they’re likely to push for it again. I could talk more about this but I’d rather do it privately. While there are people who are genuinely interested in discussing the issue, you can’t help but attract cowardly trolls who can barely write. If you’re interested, you’re more than welcome to email me but I won’t keep posting here.

Regarding your P.P.S., the thingie on top of the “o” is, in fact, called a “tilde”.

Posted by: Gonzalo on May 9, 2008 12:36 PM

Gonzalo writes again, just proving my assertions of his inferior intelligence, classlessness, nose-picking, and overall pathetic existence! He makes argumentation so easy!

The truth of the matter is that many people here, including me, have done an awful lot more than blog about illegal hispanic aliens. Its just that the blogosphere is one front, and quite important. Its changed a lot of pathetic PC minds for the better, as they have to face the truth that the mainstream media won't report.

The point of the posted topic is that hispanics are far more dysfunctional than whites. They are a big minus sign. They subtract from the quality of life of everybody around them, except blacks, which is really saying something.

Of course, when you point this out to the brown apologists (aka hispanics), they give the same ol' bullshit line the blacks give--"we're all individuals, you can't lump us all into the same group!"

Yes we can! Would you like to know why, Gonzalo? Because we don't have just you here, WE HAVE ALL THE OTHER HISPANICS TOO!

Isn't it a damn shame that the hispanics are so dysfunctional? Tsk tsk tsk! I guess it just doesn't play out that you're just like everybody else, particularly the whites.

The real truth is that almost all the minorities look at whites and the good things they have, and say:

"You know, they're no better than us! If we just lived in the same country as they did, we'd do just as well! They just steal everything!"

So they run to the white countries and live shoulder to shoulder with the hated white thieves. And when they realize that they are not the same, they go into a state of cognitive dissonance, where they can't admit the truth. They really aren't as good.

Abortions, bastard kids, crooks, tax cheats, drug users, street gangs, failing schools, closing hospitals, welfare fraud, affirmative action, drunk driving, wife beating, etc.--the list goes on and on. Its quite a price to pay for a hamburger cook, a lawn mower, or a cleaning lady. Hispanic family values--what a laugh!

Gonzalo is still pushing thee same ol' racist nonsense. If you don't like your country being illegally overrun by worthless hispanics, you are a racist, and you have a problem. You can't believe your lying eyes and those damn statistics. Hispanics should be judged as individuals, until there are enough of them here to shoulder you out, then its back to the tribe. Its just another variation on the same theme.

Go to sleep, little sheep. Watch your movies and read your books until the country is ruined. Tribalism is for bad people. You don't want to be bad now, do you? Sit back and play nice until its all over. Pseudo-Gonzalo, the internet propagandist, says so!

Posted by: BIOH on May 9, 2008 11:00 PM

This blog is turning into one of those pathetic neo-Nazi forums where dicussion is dominated by he who screams and insults the loudest. If BIOH is going to represent us white Americans I can't help but feel ashamed.

Posted by: Rex on May 10, 2008 3:48 AM






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