"Interesting that in that whole courageous article Tebbit couldn't bring himself to use the M(uslim) word."

With an article of this tone what is NOT said is most important - ie. it is IMPLIED with hard, Tolkien-style words. The refusal to explicitly mention Muslims made this article even more frightening to me, the implication being, 'I don't even have to mention them, you KNOW who I'm talking about... them...'

"It's all fiddling as long as immigrants keep flowing in."

True. I would agree that immigration is a barrier to integration at this stage in the game. I have come to believe that chain migration, the process by which minority groups can marry people (in many cases first cousins) from the old country, is a severe barrier to interaction with the wider community. British people are so tolerant, you've no idea, but even they have trouble engaging with 15 year old girls from Pakistani villages with nary a word of English.

"It does not mean we all have to belong to the same tribe. Historically, most tribes have been massively intolerant."

I agree, it was frightening language. But we must unite around something. At present there is nothing to really unite around, British culture, as is, doesn't really exist. A grim combination of crass Americanization, Guardian-BBC-West End elitist leftism, and lager loot soccer hooliganism. A Russian friend who came to London recently was severely disappointed, she said one word, 'America'. Tolerance is important, but not really something that a country can unite around through hard times.

"Mugged by reality, as they say."

London at present is The Bell Curve proven beyond all doubt. The things I see in London, every sight just reinforces every word of Murray's book. London is a caste system. High IQ Oxbridge city boys, the current Masters of the Universe (literally - London will soon overtake New York as the worlds financial capital), live a life at the top along with the journalistic culturati and a splattering of South/East Asian doctors etc, then you have a few remaining lower Middle Class whites, and then a vast, and I mean VAST, underclass of whites, Muslims (Tower Hamlets) and especially blacks (who have now descended into gang warfare - see Ross Kemp on South London Gangs">http://www.piczo.com/gangsinlondon?cr=2&rfm=y>Gangs).
The British elite is singularly unwilling to discuss the things I see every day. Charles Murray's analysis of the way Britain was heading in the early 90's has pretty much come true (although he didn't properly analyze the immigration dimension). As I said, I think of the Bell Curve on every trip to London, it explains so much. But nobody has a clue, even if they are 'mugged by reality.'

Britain's immigration policy, geared towards former colonial territories, has had mixed, but overly negative effects over time. Eg. it began with a smallish number of Carribean blacks, then attracted high-IQ Indian/Pakistani doctors etc to work in the expanding NHS, but gradually came to embrace the worst members of all the colonial territories. Eg Many of the recent crop of Pakistani immigrants are anomalous by PAKISTANI standards, ie. their culture is weird and backward in PAKISTAN (I don't have time to provide sources, but trust me) Same with some of the recent African immigrants, many of whom come from the Congo, and are not exactly the most savory of characters.

Posted by: omar on May 11, 2007 6:25 PM

Fyi - I know Congo was never a British colony, but the random wars there have spiked the number of Congolese Asylum seekers to the UK (Many of whom I suspect were fighters themselves, only they lost their battles - in Congo, nobody is innocent)

Posted by: omar on May 11, 2007 6:53 PM






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