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October 11, 2006

Diversity Notes

Michael Blowhard writes:

Dear Blowhards --

* Is pursuing "diversity" a policy that will automatically lead (as so many seem to think) to an egalitarian, everything's-cool utopia? Or are the real-life consequences of pursuing "diversity" a little more, er, complex than that? GNXP's Dobeln cites a new Robert Putnam study showing that "the more diverse a community is, the less likely its inhabitants are to trust anyone -- from their next-door neighbour to the mayor." Just what America needs: less trust. A fun commentsfest ensues.

* The Chronicle of Higher Education reports that "diversity"-mania continues to rage on America's college campuses. "Nearly every university, it seems," writes Ben Gose, "is racing to appoint a chief diversity officer."

* As we pass 300 million, our current immigration policies ensure two things about our future: continued, rapid population growth -- and ever-increasing "diversity."

Nothing quite like a noble-sounding, demonstrably counter-productive policy for transfixing the academic / political imagination, eh?

Related: Rick Darby thinks that Mark Steyn is all wet where population questions are concerned. Steve Sailer and his readers muse on the Robert Putnam diversity study. (Also here and here.) Laurence Auster comments too.

Best,

Michael

UPDATE: Those unsure whether "diversity" has become an entrenched interest as well as a prospering business might want to eyeball this diversity-biz trade magazine.

UPDATE 2: Steve Sailer points out a WashPost article taking note of the fact that some of D.C.'s most diverse (and "vibrant") neighborhoods are also surprisingly crime-riddled.

posted by Michael at October 11, 2006




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>>As we pass 300 million

Like that's a problem ?
Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_outlying_territories_by_area
Compare the US and the UK: you have around five times our population, and nearly 40x our landmass.
Chill.

In any case...
i) It's only about 150 years since you annexed (stole ??) about half of Mexico.
ii) Steyn is a delusional paranoid.

Sure, 'diversity' is a thing that's causing, and is going to cause some headaches, but the numbers game is just hooey.

Posted by: Nigel on October 11, 2006 3:18 PM



Diversity is a meaningless buzzword.

To the extent that the word can be deciphered, diversity means "anybody but white hetero men."

Within the corporate world, the diversity officer or consultant's job is to create the problem that he or she was hired to solve, thus ensuring his or her continued employment.

I worked in an HR department at a major publishing company for 5 years. Despite our best efforts, we could never actually figure out how to define diversity, except that we knew that it was going to lead to greater efficiency and profits... because... well...

Our major contribution to diversity during those years was to hire black actors to portray our executive staff. Our actual executive staff was entirely white. On the bright side, the black men were steadily employed in the corporate video industry, and they were well versed in playing the commanding executive.

It's all flim-flam. And, our diversity policy must not have led to ever greater efficiency and profits because all the senior (but not executive) employees were bought out in a "reorganization" in my last year. They were replaced by younger employees with smaller salaries. Evidently, employees over 50 years old did not enhance our diversity.

Posted by: Shouting Thomas on October 11, 2006 3:23 PM



Wow, another foreigner who is telling the US how to run its immigration policy! I thought we citzens were supposed to do that. Britian is sinking into oblivion. And obviously many of its least informed citzens are comfortable with that. Fine with me. At least people pay Mark Steyn for his opinions. I'll take Nigel's free advice for what its actually worth.

So what we have an lot of open space. Its OUR open space. The US justified its existence by saving many, many millions of lives everywhere around the world (WWI, WWII, Cold War, etc.). But all the dipshits can think of is to open their crap-filled mouths. Our history is much better than the Brit's. Oh well, its an unfair comparison anyway.

Here's how the anti-white racism and third world dreg-ing of the US and Europe will go: The numbers will increase, good jobs will continue to be shipped out of the countries to Asia. This complicates the anti-white racist Potempkin Village of Affirmative Action, because all the third world dregs will demand quota jobs when they can't compete. They will also cheat far more on their taxes, milk far more money out of the government in welfare, depress wages while delivering an increasingly inferior product, and eventually collapse the welfare state. As good jobs dry up, Whites will either flee or overturn Affrimative Action, against the great fight put up by the politicians (the last group of people who will actually abide and enforce the law). Without Affirmative Action, most third world dregs would not be able to get jobs, and will do more poorly than the natives. This applies to asians as well. All of the failures of the dregs will be blamed on whites when they do more poorly. And without AA, violence will finally break out until the races are mostly segregated.

There has never been a successful multi-racial or multi-cultural society in the history of the world. All eventually seek thier own governance, and segregate or fight until a victor is crowned. then comes forced segregation and "ethnic cleansing". When the welfare state collapses, so will the multi-racial illusion.

The only reason open warfare hasn't broken out yet is that the nuber of minorities has not reached critical mass. But you can see in France that it is starting. The blacks in America rioted until they got a huge amount of welfare. When it ends, they will attack again. The blacks are already fighting openly with hispanics. it doesn't get covered much in the news here, but its not good, and it will get worse.

Worse and worse it gets. Now the headache is spreading to the neck, and the arm, and down into the chest. Watch and see it all get worse. More and more rights and money have to be stripped away from the middle class whites to give the illusion of it working. But it can't go on much longer.

Prediction--the US will experience hyperinflation as the government tries to print its way out of the collapse of the welfare state. After it collpases, who knows? Martial law? No more affirmative action, and then the ensuing violence and segregation? The statists willl have to strip away all you have--your rights, property, and eventually your country to make it work, to hide their failures. I'm not sure what will be the final outcome. But I do know it can't go on much longer. Look at the huge resistance to the illegal alien invasion over the last 2-3 years. It won't go on another 50! The Baby Boomers will retire into an SSI and Medicare system expectd to be 50 TRILLION dollars short. Fortune 500 companies have underfunded their pensions to the tune of 450 BILLION, and when you add in the health care to pensioners, the figure goes to 1.5 TRILLION! Five to ten more years to collapse, tops. Unending war, bankruptcy, hemorrhaging of good jobs, increases in crime and ethnic strife, abysmal failure of minorities in schools and to assimilate into white culture--none of it is good. Nigel doesn't care because he has a bandoned his culture, finds fault with all its achievements, and is ready to swap in the crisp british suit and tie for a dirty nightshirt and prayer rug, ready to hand over his property, women, and country to the third world dregs to buy thier love and acceptance. Churchill wouldn't have used someone like him even for a quick bugger. Mind your own failing business and piss off when it comes to ours.

Posted by: s on October 11, 2006 11:53 PM



- s – George Bush has been stubbornly in favor of an open border policy ever since he became president. I guess he and his Wall Street Journal buddies don’t care much about you or your views about immigration. I’m curious as to where you think white people will flee. Canada?


Michael -- I just can’t get too exited about the idea of 300 million people in the U.S. or the false issue of “diversity,” although I find amnesia about America’s past diversity to be mildly amusing. Conservative revisionists paint a false and incomplete picture of earlier generations of Americans as Europeans genially sharing a common “Judeo-Christian” heritage, but this totally ignores the religious, class and ethnic tensions which often existed in many cities and communities.

I’m optimistic about the future prospects of America. But a recent series of articles on “The Vanishing Russians” at the latimes.com web site presents a sobering picture, and underscores the difficulty of predicting the future. Although Russia’s problems are not entirely analogous to problems that we face here, it is amazing to note the depth of that country’s collapse, given its prior position as our main rival as a superpower. It is also interesting to note how its collapse has disproportionately affected men. A few tidbits:


The former Soviet Union, with almost 300 million people, was the world's third-most populous country, behind China and India. Slightly more than half of its citizens lived in Russia. The country has lost the equivalent of a city of 700,000 people every year since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, only partially offset by an influx of people from other former Soviet republics.

A country that sprawls across one-eighth of the globe is now home to 142 million people.

The losses have been disproportionately male. At the height of its power, the Soviet Union's people lived almost as long as Americans. But now, the average Russian man can expect to live about 59 years, 16 years less than an American man and 14 less than a Russian woman.

Sergei Mironov, chairman of the upper house of Russia's parliament, said last year that if the trend didn't change, the population would fall to 52 million by 2080….

The suicide rate jumped nearly 50% during the 1990s; half a million people killed themselves from 1995 through 2003. Russians fling themselves from balconies, slash their wrists or simply walk out in the snow on a bitter night.

A photograph is accompanied by this sad caption: BUSINESS IS BRISK: Grave diggers work at the Mitinskoye cemetery outside Moscow. Oleg, left, said that at least half of the people he buried were younger than 50. “People die young these days,” he said. “And we bury them young.” The dead are disproportionately male.

Posted by: Alec on October 12, 2006 6:06 AM



I can argue both sides of trust and diversity by now.

At the moment I live in an ethnically uniform place: 99.5% native-born American, 98.2% white, 93% northwestern European (5% eastern European), 100% Christian.

The level of trust is unbelievable. For example, the other day I went in to a nearby liquor store (in a small town of 200 people). The owner had stepped next door and I had to wait literally ten minutes for him to return -- the store was wide open the whole time. I could easily have walked off with $1000 worth or more of booze, and maybe the cash register too.

On the other hand, it's boring around here. Where I used to live the liquor stores had bars on the windows and some of them the cash register in a cage, but urban life has a lot going for it. My brother lives in Fargo, the safest town of any size in the US, and he's bored to death too. You have to produce your own entertainment, and sometimes it's nice to just sit back and let someone else do the work.

A lot of the vitality of any country comes from the cities, which are always diverse and full of strangers and crime.

Posted by: John Emerson on October 12, 2006 8:05 AM



Alec,

Why is it that everytime I express a conservative opinion, everybody tells me about George Bush (btw, that Stalin you're so fond of was not very tolerant!)? Bush is a republican, not a conservative. The Wall Street Journal is filled with just another bunch of journalistic whores. Why should I listen to them? If nobody listens to people like me, why are we now going to build a fence? I laugh at your optimism, given the lack of any success of a multi-racial and multi-cultural society (anywhere). Nobody ever said the past was a paradise. I never did. But then again I don't operate with the mental disease you do that the world has to be perfect to be acceptable. Of course, you'll just say that you don't expect the world to be perfect either, and that's okay with you and where we are headed. Then why did you bring it up to argue against the past? One more lie from another lazy citizen. You really need to live in a nursery, not a free republic. Or the waiting room at the dentist's office (lots of magazines there!).

Flee to Canada? where did you come up with that? I don't want to go anywhere. Just clean up and kick people out here. Nowhere for them to go? Better them than my people (Sorry, I don't make any pretense to being "tolerant". I don't find it a virtue. I'm not that interested in other cultures either. I like my own, thanks.).

Oh, and John Emerson, maybe you should get some hobbies. Or a passport. Both should solve the problems you list rather nicely. I'd say its preferable to destroying the country. Also, if you ever decide to sell your place, let me know. I can find lots to keep me busy and interested. Maybe you should vacation in Baghdad. VERY exciting!

Posted by: s on October 12, 2006 11:00 AM



Nigel -- You may underestimate how many Americans don't want the US to become like Europe, that overcrowded place. A sense of wide-open spaces and possibilities is part of what has made this country what it is (for better and/or worse, of course).

ST -- Great tales. It'll be fun to see if and when white males become part of the spectrum again, instead of being considered "that which gets in the way of diversity." It's kind of like the way "white" isn't considered a color or ethnicity, it's thought of as the absence of such. Wha'?

S -- I enjoy your contributions and your energy, but let's try a little harder to minimize the personal attacks, OK? Think of the blog as a cafe or bar where people drop by to swap ideas and observations. Disagreements are good and even encouraged. Incivility on the other hand is the one big sin.

Alec -- The Russian story seems like another one that's being wildly under-reported, don't you think? Weird how these really major changes are happening and the media spend 99% of their time on gay Republicans chasing pages. If I were an editor ...

John -- I like (at this point in my life anyway) living in a very diverse area, but I can certainly understand why people wouldn't want to. It's exciting, but it can really be a hassle. Simply understanding and making yourself understood can be a challenge; dodging dangerous misunderstandings is another challenge. And how much energy do you want to spend on a daily basis contending with this? I mostly get a kick out of it, but I'd never want to inflict these circumstances on people who don't relish 'em. So, as a policy thing, I'm all for a nice mix of highly-diverse places (NYC, LA, etc), and pretty homogeneous places. That's real diversity, as far as I'm concerned. The official diversity-o-crats seem to want to enforce a kind of everywhere-is-the-same kind of diversity, which I think is a) nuts, and b) offensive.

Posted by: Michael Blowhard on October 12, 2006 11:54 AM



-s- I know a lot of people who think that because George Bush is Republican, conservative, and born again, that he obviously has the people’s best interests at heart. However, I have argued before that he and others around him (some of them Democrats) are very comfortable with the notion of oligarchy, a society with a small wealthy class, a thin managerial middle class, and a large, mainly poor remaining class of society.

The new oligarchs don’t care about you. I will wager that the fence will never be built. The bill authorizing the fence has not yet been presented to Bush, and even if he signs the bill, look out for signing authorizations that will blunt congressional intent.

By the way, I am for strong immigration control, but I note that some recent efforts at stronger border control have had the unintended consequence of encouraging illegals to stay in this country when they previously were somewhat more likely to either go back home after a while or to keep their families back home while they worked here. I also note that despite all the phony furor over illegal immigration, employer sanctions, which would have the greatest impact, are almost non-existent. The rock-ribbed conservative city of Laguna Beach, for example, expanded illegal alien day labor centers because the rich people there wanted to make sure that they had access to illegal alien labor, but did not want illegals hanging around residential neighborhoods.

You note the failure of multi-cultural and multi-racial societies, but secular democracies have largely been failures also, in the long run.

Also, by the way, when Hitler kicked ruthlessly suppressed the Jews and other ethnic groups, he pretty much guaranteed that his Thousand Year Reich would get its butt kicked by “mongrel” nations. Same with Stalin and other goons. The most spectacular failed mono-ethnic society is of course North Korea.

The United States is a great test. People have come here from all over the world precisely because our founding documents, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, specifically and deliberately do not hinge on a state religion, or hierarchy of caste or ethnicity, or even a defined “culture.”

It is an odd irony to see some “conservatives” rejecting the Constitution in order to protect their notion of culture and history.

By contrast, Turkey is a “moderate” Muslim nation, and yet Article 301 of its penal code states: "A person who explicitly insults being a Turk, the Republic or Turkish Grand National Assembly, shall be imposed to a penalty of imprisonment for a term of six months to three years," a law which was used retroactively against the most recent Nobel Literature prize winner Orhan Pamuk.


Michael – The “Vanishing Russian” series has been a first page series in the L.A. Times running since Sunday. Although free registration may be required, the series is essential reading and is available at http://www.latimes.com/russians

I don’t think that the story has been under-reported; it is more that the story just doesn’t connect with either the media or bloggers. Other aspects of the story have been reported before, and are easily available on the Internet.

I wonder whether one reason the story has not been considered by a lot of people is that a lot of folk don’t want to think about the idea that a major, industrialized nation might collapse and descend into its own version of “The Dark Ages.” Could it happen here? I don’t know, and obviously hope not, but as a student of history, I note that the most complex, successful and sophisticated societies have often collapsed, even if they are later succeeded by other nations and cultures (even Mycenae, a great civilization from 1600 to 1100 BCE, collapsed and was replaced by the better known Classical Greek civilization).

By the way, the collapse of Russia’s economic and social infrastructure, the rise of suicides and other deaths has had a number of unintended consequences. Here is another little piece from the series:

“The city of Moscow has swelled to 10.4 million people, and one-fifth of them are Muslims. The Russian capital has the largest Muslim population of any city in Europe.”

Posted by: Alec on October 12, 2006 1:48 PM



S, don't come visiting my town, OK? Very nice, mellow people here. People with your backgraound and attitude wouldn't fit in.

Posted by: John Emerson on October 12, 2006 9:52 PM



I won't set foot in any room where John Emerson fits in.
Disgusting.


Alec, had it ever occur to you to not trust LATimes or, at least, to read some more on the subject they misrepresent?
Talking about tensions within 19th cent. population of America, and then erecting as example demographic situation in current Russia is a ..well...don't know how to say that without calling names...is way beyond ignorant. Are you operating under the assumption that 142 mln of USSR lived in perfect interethnic harmony? Then you're in fact paraphrasing the New Beloved Leader of Russia, Mr. Putin. Except his deeds speak louder than his words (google "persecution of Georgians in Moscow", f.ex)

What size of soap bubble lefties live in? It's just so entertaining.

Posted by: Tat on October 13, 2006 12:12 PM



Tat – Your post is a wonderful example of “attack first, think later.” I never wrote anything – not a single sentence or word -- even remotely claiming that there was ever inter-ethnic harmony in the USSR. Also, the posts to s and to Michael were dealing with two separate themes.

However, I do presume, which you apparently do not, that reasonably intelligent people can read articles and make up their own minds as to whether the information is useful, interesting, or – gasp – even accurate. Even when the article appears in the – altogether now -- liberally biased mainstream media. As I noted to Michael, the L. A. Times series includes information on the collapse of Russia and the former Soviet Union that is widely available elsewhere, including easily available Internet sources.

It is noteworthy that you claim that the Times is “misrepresenting” something when it is clear that you have not read any of the articles, particularly the ones noting the ethnic tensions which threaten to tear the nation apart.

Posted by: Alec on October 13, 2006 2:10 PM



Alec, I don't need to read LA Times on history of USSR and ethnic tensions there: I've lived thru it. "Misrepresenting" comes entirely from your account of the articles: you're the one who read them, and if you made the kind of conclusions you did, that means the series aren't very reliable.
It's not that facts are unavailable on the net or in the books, it's spinning them to serve the house' agenda that made me suspicious of anything coming from LA Times, based on their record. It's a case wqhere "former performance" does guarantee future yield.

Ethnic hatred (not tensions) has been forever present in Russia or the lands it appropriated, from the time immemorial. The Nationals Policies under Soviet leaders were declared to differ from that of Tzars, but in fact (as everything else) were worse.

Every assumption you site is wrong. Russia is not an example of "major successful industrialized nation collapsing into their version of the dark Ages". No. Russia is not industrialised compared to West Europe or US; it is/was not a successful country (why, do you think it collapsed in the first place? a tip: not by play of some mysterious forces). Moscow now is full of Muslims - yes, it has been full of Muslims for hundreds of years, since "pacification of Caucasus". Lartge persentage of Russian Imperial subjects are/were Muslims.
The statement is misleading, since it does not clarifies - what Muslims, from what countries? I bet the majority of them aren't from Saudi Arabia or Indonesia.

I won't engage in explaining, example of WHAT you are, Alec.

Posted by: Tat on October 13, 2006 3:21 PM



How big an area can I reserve for myself, Tat. Could you stay out of the whole state of Minnesota? We're all Communists here, you know.

Posted by: John Emerson on October 13, 2006 3:53 PM



Emerson, you're like weed. Houseowner neglects mawing his lawn for a while - the weed shows up again.

Until someone lose patience and use DDT on it.

Posted by: Tat on October 13, 2006 5:22 PM



Or napalm, if that's not working.

On a second thought - it's more productive to let the lawn grow, and go work on something that pays instead.

And I'm paid handsomly novadays.

Posted by: Tat on October 13, 2006 5:45 PM



Tatyana, out of curiosity, what particular thing I said, on which site, caused you to decide to give me so much hostile attention? I'm not baffled that I am sometimes disliked, but your particular intensity is absolutely unique.

Posted by: John Emerson on October 13, 2006 7:17 PM






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